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Star Wars: The Last Jedi

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Had a chance to see Episode VIII this evening. Overall liked it quite a bit. Currently, ordering of the films in terms of favorite to least is as follows:

 

5>4>6>8>7>3>2>1

 

A few thoughts, and yes, these are very spoilery, so be warned:

 

 

I have to say I liked most of the new characters introduced in the movie: Rose surprised me pleasantly, and I really liked Del Toro's character- right up until he did an about face.

 

Really enjoyed the opening exchange between Poe and Hux, and Rey's interactions with Luke were great as well. Rose also had a solid intro- going from crying to taking no crap at all in the next minute.

 

The big twist in the middle with Snoke getting bisected was something of a surprise, but not too unexpected either, nor was Kylo's attempt to seize power (the fact it happened midway into the movie was a big hint). I'd have been curious to have found out more about Snoke, especially in relation to the Sith or Palpatine since Kylo's talk of casting off the Sith gives some clear indications Snoke had some background or history with them, but alas, wasn't meant to be. I'd hoped to see more of Phasma in the movie as well, but that wasn't meant to be either. The [non]reveal about Rey's parents, if true, I think makes her a stronger character over all, and was a pleasant twist.

 

A bit sad how Ackbar went out early on, and given Carrie Fisher's passing, surprised as well that they didn't kill off Leia as well at that point, though she added a lot to the movie.

 

As mentioned, Luke's interactions with Rey and the others were solid, and I especially enjoyed his interactions with R2. The other bit that I thought was very well handled was Chewie and the Porgs- they didn't fall into the Ewok trap, being there for a clear mix of cuteness and comic relief, fulfilling both roles well. Yoda's appearance was great and I think also meant to fulfill the role Gen X mentioned- all the same, it was great to see Yoda blend his usual wisdom, with some of the creepiness he had in ESB (Laughing as the Temple Tree of the Jedi burned). A great call back and something I was glad to see.

 

Another small item that I thought was interesting was the concept of Balance in the Force- there was the Jedi Temple, and the Dark Side underbelly, creating the Balance, also spoken of by Snoke with his Darkness Rises, and Light to meet it line from the trailers. That seems a bit at odds with the whole Prophecy/Balance from the PT about Balance being restored by destroying the Sith.

 

Loved the locale and depiction of the casino city- It wasn't quite Mos Eisley, but one still got a similar vibe of a diverse Galaxy at large, and while it wasn't as seedy, it had an undercurrent there that made it memorable.

 

I think the biggest strength is, come Episode IX, I have no idea what will happen next. The OT had a predictable arc, and the PT had a fairly foregone conclusion. There's some things that can be expected presumably: Finn and Rose becoming an item, and from the end, something of a triangle developing between Rey, Kylo, and Poe possibly. I'd presume we're looking at more of an all-out war in Episode IX since the First Order's been decimated as well as the Resistance/Rebels, but it's still anyone's guess how things play out- I can't quite see Kylo being redeemed or turned at this point, but I wouldn't rule it out either.

 

Sad it won't be until late 2019 that we get to see how this part of the saga ends, but still get the sense it's definitely opened things up.

 

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*pokes head in*

 

Anyone wonder who said they "had a bad feeling about this"?

 

hint, it was not a human

 

 

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/rian-johnson-last-jedi-star-wars-easter-egg_us_5a343517e4b01d429cc8bd59

 

Poe: Positive Thoughts buddy

 

As for the Wilhelm Scream? I heard the closest resemblence to it at Kylo Ren's Swing-and-a-miss of Luke during the finale.

 

*disappears*

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I was just wondering about that "bad feeling about this line" today.

Hints of spoilers of course... So this is all there is about this movie here? Oh well. I'm intending to avoid messageboard chatter anyway. I wish I would have avoided comment sections but I read a lot of complaining, most of it stupid and bratty. How any STAR WARS fan can look at certain Leia scenes and call them cheesy or joke about them, especially after what happened with Carrie Fisher, completely baffles me. I liked every bit of what she did in this movie, and the thrill of not knowing exactly if she was done for the movie at certain times or what. We also got to see her with a blaster again. Also, the movie not taking the predicted routes makes it worthwhile. A lot of those theories and social media wishes for characters made no sense or were just outright stupid. There are a lot of things about this state of things established with "The Force Awakens" that bug me, but we're here, and so this is a sequel that works for that. People need to be patient and wait for Episode IX, like we had to wait until "Return of the Jedi" for some things. Sure it would have been nice if we could have gotten 7-8-9 twenty years ago and this could work as a trilogy of 10-11-12, but oh well. At the age the actors and characters are in this series that's been going on for forty years, certain things are just inevitable. There isn't really a "happily ever after," so I don't know what kind of Star "WARS" movies people upset about that want to see. If people never liked this whole initiative and cling to Zahn books or whatever, why are they still even watching so they can keep making that complaint?

A few observations: Someone actually said "ass" in a Star Wars movie.

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Someone actually said "God" in a Star Wars movie, as in Admiral Holdo saying "Godspeed." But then there's the hinted Holdo/Leia relationship that irritates me. A lot of SJW stuff in this movie is there even if subtle.

There is a lot of complaining about this movie,you can watch hours of negative fan reviews on Youtube. Audience score on Rotten Tomatoes keeps falling, it was 56 last week and is now 54 while the critic score is somewhere between 93-96. It occurred to me that maybe the reason there were no spoiler leaks before release is because there was nothing to spoil, the biggest secret reveals are that there aren't any. I wonder if the hate for this movie and backlash are worse than it ever was for Jar Jar? There is an actual online petition to remove this movie from Star Wars cannon.

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Someone actually said "God" in a Star Wars movie, as in Admiral Holdo saying "Godspeed." But then there's the hinted Holdo/Leia relationship that irritates me. A lot of SJW stuff in this movie is there even if subtle.

There is a lot of complaining about this movie,you can watch hours of negative fan reviews on Youtube. Audience score on Rotten Tomatoes keeps falling, it was 56 last week and is now 54 while the critic score is somewhere between 93-96. It occurred to me that maybe the reason there were no spoiler leaks before release is because there was nothing to spoil, the biggest secret reveals are that there aren't any. I wonder if the hate for this movie and backlash are worse than it ever was for Jar Jar? There is an actual online petition to remove this movie from Star Wars cannon.

That sense of a "hinted" relationship between Leia and Holdo (first I've heard this) is what happens when society tries to turn simple friendships and camaraderie into romances. Two people of the same gender can't even shake hands, give compliments or go get lunch at work together anymore without them being called homosexuals, and in a championing way by people wanting to use them as some kind of symbol and statement.

"God" was used by gungans and C-3PO describing how the ewoks perceived him. It could seem odd for humans to say it, but a lot of those alien cultures believed in gods.

It's obvious a lot of the backlash is a bandwagon. I saw people give it high marks after seeing it but then reverse their opinions after reading some crap and then jump on the backlash train touching on all the same points and making all the trendy remarks like "Mary Poppins" and all that. Society is so dumbed down they can't resist being swayed by trendy "memes" or even gripe about something in an original way.

Stuff that bugs me isn't even what most people are attacking. That stuff I defend or don't mind. I can't believe Star Wars fans are griping about physics - regarding Leia in space or hyperspace jumps or bombs dropping - in this movie series. It has always been a non-realistic version of space-based fantasy.

I've seen this twice so far, and would like to see it in IMAX again because that seems to be the only way to get good sound in a theater anymore. Maybe this weekend. The opening theme, title, and crawl is what going to see a Star Wars movie in a theater is really all about, even if it doesn't have the 20th Century Fox fanfare.

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After my first time seeing The Last Jedi, I was very disappointed. Probably more because I allowed my expectations to be extremely high after hearing repeatedly that it's "the best Star Wars since Empire." That was far too lofty a goal that I set in my mind, because TLJ is not on that level at all. However, having seen it again, I enjoyed it quite a bit more. I'm glad it didn't follow the almost cookie-cutter plot lines of the previous films, but it almost went too far in the other direction for me, making it feel more like a standalone movie like Rogue One than one of the Episodes. I truly disliked only one moment in the film: Leia's flight back inside the ship after the bridge is destroyed. Using the Force or not, that just struck me as too outlandish. And, given that Carrie Fisher passed away in real life, why not rewrite the film and have Leia's character die in that moment? I'm curious to see how they explain her absence in Episode IX since she was alive and well at the end of this film. I also was disappointed with some of the decisions regarding Luke. I understand his self-imposed exile and coming to the conclusion that the Jedi should end, but dealing with Rey and Yoda brought him back around and I wish that had resulted in him actually facing down Kylo Ren, rather than projecting himself. That said, his projecting himself across the galaxy was an interesting new ability we haven't seen before. But why did he project himself with his old lightsaber, that had just been destroyed by Rey and Kylo Ren, rather than his green lightsaber? Small detail that didn't really make sense to me. I fully expected him to die/sacrifice himself though. The timeline also seemed a bit off...the fleet only has 18 hours of fuel left, but Finn and Rose travel to some other planet and back within that time frame? I guess things have changed in the canon, I don't remember hyperspace travel being that fast, unless the other planet was extraordinarily close to their position. I liked that Rey's parents ended up being nobodies. Every character doesn't have to be related to everyone else. A little disappointed with how Snoke played out, and the lack of information on his backstory and the Knights of Ren...Luke said Kylo ran off with some of his students, I assume they became the Knights of Ren? Perhaps in the next film we'll see them.

 

So, all in all, I enjoyed the film and the fact that it was a bit different than the rest, but I certainly wouldn't rank it on the same level as ESB as some have.

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truly disliked only one moment in the film: Leia's flight back inside the ship after the bridge is destroyed. Using the Force or not, that just struck me as too outlandish. And, given that Carrie Fisher passed away in real life, why not rewrite the film and have Leia's character die in that moment?

 

That moment happened so early in the movie. They weren't going to take out Carrie Fisher's performance, and her final one at that. Having her die in the movie after dying in real life would have just been odd. Removing Leia would have altered the entire film and made it look badly edited with nothing mentioning Leia's death after it. Production had already been completed and there was no need to do reshoots for everyone's reaction to her death from the Resistance fighters to Luke and Rey. That's not something you simply fix in post-production. There wouldn't have been the reunion with Luke or her last line at the end to Rey. Leia being disabled and comatose was already part of the film. I'm glad they didn't alter anything because of that. It amazes me how people are criticizing Carrie Fisher's scenes in this.

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To be clear, I don't have any problem with her scenes and performance in the film, except for when Leia flies back into the ship from space. Which is on the writers, not her, and obviously was planned well before her death. I just think it will be odd in the next film for them to either say Leia died between the two films, or she's still the leader of the Resistance but is absent throughout everything that happens in Episode IX.

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I have have from start to finish, truly enjoyed every part of this film and storylines/arcs that they moved in. I really enjoyed the depth and human nature they gave to every character and how they handled to 30 year gap development of Luke. I really enjoyed to display of Leia's force powers, as after she hinted in TFA, she spent time training Ben before she couldn't handle him and gave him off to Luke. I am also SUPER happy that Rey is a no one. It would have destroyed Luke's character if she was a Skywalker.

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Going into a movie spoiler/info-free makes it a little easier to handle a lot of stuff. After that passes, it can be easily scrutinized. Aside from everything Leia and being glad that internet rumor stuff didn't come to fruition, there are several things about this that bug me, especially the more I read about what certain choices were made. Why did Rian Johnson have to insist that Luke die despite Hamill's protest? Why try to basically end this story in the middle of the trilogy? They missed the point that the appeal of a Sequel Trilogy was to see the continuing story of those fabled characters, but for some reason that kind of thing all gets grouped under this new pejorative term "fan service."

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